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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jun 4, 2011 3:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

I agree very much about October 94. I think the 94 fall east coast tour is definitely the last great tour, and it is as good as anything else post-91. I think 10/5/94 is entitled to a place in "the pantheon" of essential shows.

In general I think the conventional wisdom that the post-retirement years are a steady decline and the 90s are unlistenable is a mishearing. I think that 76-94 are actually all about equally good/bad with peaks in 77 and 90. Despite its low reputation, I think 94 is mostly disliked because of the quasi-acoustic jerry tone, some problems with cutler's mixing habits and some heavy rotation of Easy Answers, Phil singing, and Vince tunes, and despite its high reputation, I think 78 is a year with a lot of really ugly, grating playing - all those solos with unnecessary fanning.

People often seem to express near-shame for discussing 90s Dead, but I think once you step outside the Sacred Garden of 68-74, there are different strengths and weaknesses in every year.

The idea that "older is better" has been established in deadhead circles forever, and I think the level of purely musical understanding is partially obscured by cultural issues. Everybody knows that the Acid Tests, the original SF ballrooms, the Fillmore East, have legendary status in the story of the band, and those who were fortunate enough to have experienced the first and strongest bolts of lightning are certainly testifying truly that it has "never been the same since!"

At the same time, the arc of the story - the themes of the 30-year symphony - stayed dynamic to the end, and I think that we can find some compelling narrative for the end days as well. The Ticketless Hordes and the Decline of Jerry may not put the same smile on your face that Pigpen did, but sorrow and darkness are a powerful theme in art, and in the band's music.

Along with the bright memories some have of Pig matchmaking the audience, the recollection of the spell of late Garcia ballads has a place. A lot of tenor's voices get "bigger" as they age and this held true for Jerry - the rasp cannot disguise the fact that the old & fat Jerry could make a much louder sound with his voice than he could in the early years, and he learned to use this to great effect in songs like Standing on the Moon, where he would dig deep into the "be with you" refrain and improvise with his voice, while the band was inspired to match his passion with almost orchestral crescendos.

The deterioration of "the scene" and Jerry's health problems served to make these moments all the more intense, because the hard-core of heads who deeply loved the band were hoping so hard for things to be OK, and sometimes at shows there was an almost palpable sense of "cmon Jerry, you can do it!" and a kind of ecstatic relief when he rose to the occasion and pulled out an intense "Stella Blue."

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 4, 2011 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

I agree that post-Brent, post 10-31-91, there was a drastic decline in the music. I can think of no show that as a whole, was strong throughout. None. Maybe something in the first set, maybe pre-drums, or post. However, most likely, a song or two for the whole show would stand out and sometimes one of them was Drums. I once held October '94 in much higher esteem then a do today. The 10-14 S/F & Corinna>Matilda, the 10-17-94 Eyes, I feel are very overrated, and they are the best of the bunch from October '94. I'll give 10-5 another listen. As an aside, I used to really like 7-20-94, but that has dropped as well. The scene had declined like the Haight in '68 by '94. Maybe I was less amenable to stupidity and much more sober.
I agree that the Jerry ballad slot had some amazing performances. Maybe some of the very best of all time for a particular songs. So Many Roads was a powerful song when he could hit it.



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Poster: splue Date: Jun 4, 2011 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

if i could store thees much infomation micah i would hafta build an infomation-storing store ;)

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 4, 2011 9:45pm
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u would not be able 2 afford the taxes splue

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 4, 2011 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

"blow me"--ducats

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 4, 2011 9:47pm
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LOL

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jun 4, 2011 10:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' jihad

jihad is not just for little kids anymore

senior citizen kane

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 5, 2011 12:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'vry very good'

thank God (sry godhaters) NC ur here 2 restore the comedy of the forum (sry micah)


now if only i can get this tv to stop showing thees crzy forum


ok, cue the ducats




"blow me"--duvatz




sry we could only afford the duvatz, a jewish knockoff


its so reassuring & nice 2 get that message from duvatz, makes me feel
like i wandered into a little "film" in west hollywood

oh well, one can dream (again, sry micah);)






http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-10-06.113808.kbfh.fm.tamarkin.flac16


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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 4, 2011 11:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'vry very good'

I am very against comedy or laughter of any kind.

http://tinyurl.com/2katke

Special for you NC.

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 5, 2011 12:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'vry very good'

dear micah, plz talk 2 NC about his latest veedio--theres so much f===in in it, its probably XXX by mormon standards

i think he needs 2 unplug cable tv!!!! ;D

i found a good gd show so ill post it so i dont become known
as "that splue ^%^%$%#"---o, 2 late



http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-10-06.113808.kbfh.fm.tamarkin.flac16

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jun 24, 2011 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'vry very good'

eewwww, the thin lips, the sharp hateful "i am funny, believe it" vibe... hot

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 24, 2011 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'vry very good'

i think her eyebrows r sorta hot---is that weird????

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 4, 2011 11:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' jihad

Where have all our Jihadist's vids gone? I bet quasim got killed.

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 4, 2011 11:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good'

i m waiting 4 a micah6vs8 veedio----hmmmmmm????

plz no twerking :D

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 5, 2011 12:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good'

http://www.archive.org/details/Prozim-AfricanButtDance291


not appropriate for dark star, no matter

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jun 4, 2011 10:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

I think 7/20/94 is one of those shows made by a single moment, the incredibly crisp "front porch banjo pickin" jam between Corrina and the first Matilda. It's one of those passages that hints at a wonderful musical direction that the band could have developed if Jerry had been able to get healthy. The semi-acoustic sound and an instrumental approach more related to the late grisman/garcia collaborations is like a fresh breeze, and the rhythms interlock so well. Then it seems like the jam is over and the band is leaving the stage, but Jerry is still following the thread of the idea and Vince picks it up, then the rest of the band and the first Matilda is such a light, casual, thing - it was like a butterfly landed on the stage and everybody was being careful not to scare it away.

In a lot of ways it was a very typical "Deer Creek moment" - every year from 89-94 the Creek shows would have a few moments that really sparkled, until the associations of the venue were stained by the gate-crashing jerks. It was like the band felt more relaxed there and was willing to let a jam open up.

The tape that made me a deadhead - the very first bootleg I heard, and one that I still absolutely love, was Deer Creek 7/18/90. I heard the tape of 2nd set in late 90 or early 91 as a pretentious teenager who thought rock music sucked, and I was just staggered by space->Other One and the Terrapin. It's been Beethoven, Schumann, and the Grateful Dead for me ever since...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 5, 2011 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

bkidwell, I find your posts well written and thought provoking. I am glad you choose to post here.
7-20-94 does hold some gems for me, but the whole show does not. I'll take away Peggy-O from the first set. Peggy-O lovers give it a shot. I used to love this version of Childhood's End, but it has turned in the bottle. The second set, for me, begins after the rain/sun foolishness w/Corinna.
I don't understand the animus towards this song. One of Weir's (and Mickey's) best later day contributions. (I wish I could describe this musically). The rhythm shifted in this song and it didn't quite sound the GD anymore. There were unusual cross-currents with the string players as well, especially w/ Jerry's penchant for Polynesian/ Hawaiian sounds in '94. Very different, unique Dead. It needs to be looked at again.
Onto the beautiful. No doubt about Matilda. One of the transcendental moments for just the reasons you describe. The UJB and MD post space are also highlights. I remember at the time the scene saying that this deliberate and well done UJB was a 'make-up' for the utter train wreak at Highgate. So, 5 high quality songs for '94. Some of the others aren't bad (BIODTL). Some are.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-07-20.sbd.darkstar.12596.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jun 5, 2011 5:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

Thank you very much for the kind words, you are one of the several really fine posters here in the forum that sets an example for thoughtful commentary that I try to live up to.

I agree that Corrina is an interesting song that sometimes led to jams that were exploring some new turf. I think some of the motivation for the style was just "well, if the drummers want to play everything like an afro-cuban war dance, lets give them an afro-cuban war dance" - its such a percussion heavy, simple rhythm focused groove.

The unpopularity I think is easy to understand - the song is too long and the repetitive backing vocal "slides" can really start to grate on the ear after awhile. I think if the singing part was over a couple minutes sooner, the song wouldn't have often felt like a drag. Several pieces of material in the last few years are burdened with similar problems, where the song has 3 verses, 3 choruses, 2 bridges and a lot of the same backing vocal lines sung many times.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

Nicely put.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Jun 6, 2011 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

Love this post. You've expressed my feelings to a "T"

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 4, 2011 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

Gans was working with Healy this weekend providing a local FM broadcast of these performances similar to the spring and summer of 1988.

The available IA links to these August 93 shows undermine the amount of musical information captured, that's why the links to the GD Hour @ Dead.Net were linked as well. The purity and sonic clarity of Gans Masters are impeccable, particularly for an outdoor performance.

As always, the closer you get to the soul of a performance the easier it is to let go of the judgement and connect with the music. It was awesome to experience Jerry in such a strong state of health so late in his career. Any show attended will always hold a personal bias, yes?

As far as "Tigerbolt" is concerned, strumming a guitar is easy, it's the incredible amount of clarity delivered from this instrument providing a crystal clear window into the amazing finger picking and lead guitar scales, runs, string bending and shredding that Garcia was indeed a master of.

One day, down the road, CM will be handed these shows and consistent with CM's heart & good nature will upload for all and i'd recommend that you put an ear on these recordings.




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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 4, 2011 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The last of the 'very good' Grateful Dead shows

"It was awesome to experience Jerry in such a strong state of health so late in his career."

How would you know Kochman? Jer already had one foot in his grave by the time you got on the bus.


"Any show attended will always hold a personal bias, yes?"

No, nNot if it was a real stinker from the 1980's...